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I don't buy it. I'm certain that cat had a second head!
my asian genes prevent me from getting motion sickness. I believe I may have fisherman and ancient astronaut alien genes.
So its easy…we obviously cant remove our eyes, we need them to see VR in all its glory so…remove inner ear 🙂
Thanks for the free science lesson! My sister gets bad motion sickness but I'm the opposite, I can read in the backseat of a car for over an hour before I start feeling funky. I have more of a problem with motion blur and low framerate in games because I have a brain condition, so I'm wondering how I'd go with VR since I've been thinking of saving up for a headset ?
Did you just now found out? I remember explaining this on a previous video of yours in the the comments. You seem to be on the side of people, that are more affected by it than others. Anyway, what you said about this device simulating movement for your inner ear, it'll just create a bunch of other problems. I guess actual injuries. Just imagine you fall in a game, the device sends the signal and you actually lose balance and fall in reality, bang your head on the table or what have you. I don't know about all of this. I don't think VRs future looks as bright as you think.
I've had pretty bad motion sickness all my life. Car rides when I was a kid were hell. It took me a very long time to be able to play basic Skyrim without feeling sick because of the first person view. Even now on occasion I still get nauseous. I have been able to play certain VR games. Mainly things like FNAF because you don't really move your body ingame, just your head.
I was told ( by a Dr friend) that the reason kids don't get motion sick as much is because they are young and so are their cochlea. He said as we get older, we develop calcium crystals inside the cochlea that swirl around. If we are unlucky our ear liquid keeps moving more after we stop moving, and these crystals keep going, making you feel movement.
Its also why ear infections can cause so much problems because if you have a realy bad one ( I have, and it made me unable to walk properly for a year, and walk like a drunk for almost a year after that, on a bad day) you become an easy target to those infections. And if you are vitamins D deficient, and they then give you boosters, that can give you more crystals because vitD helps calcium absorption. So yeah,us gamers are screwed ether way lol.
For me i suffer from motion sickness in cars and on sea. I cant remedy sea sickness, but i can for car sickness as you mentioned by sitting in the front seat or if i'm driving. Soo since i can't do that for VR i get motion sickness or something like that i assumed
Actually the gut and conditioning of your stomach does effect those nerves along with the flow of healthy blood. If you do get VR sickness give eating healthy for a few weeks. The gut is often called the second brain Check it out if it doesn’t work then no loss.
I get headache's and eye strain when watching VR on YouTube or other video sites. Maybe watching VR on a flat screen is my problem. I've not used VR myself so I have no idea how my head will react to that. Never had motion sickness, that i am aware of at least, so who knows. Head-bob has only made me unconformable if its too extreme.
I had heard of the ear-eye disconnect causing VR sickness. I didn't know of the device Gopher mentioned, but I did come up with a relatively low-tech theory to beat the issue.
So, while this wouldn't be enough to simulate movement, applying light pressure and vibration directly behind the ear might 'confuse' the inner ear enough to prevent VR sickness. Now, this is going to sound weird, but my idea involved buying a couple of vibrators from an adult store, and attaching them fo each side of a stethoscope using rubber bands or something. Put on the stethoscope so that the earpieces press directly behind your ears rather than in them, and turn on the vibrators. They should jostle around the fluid in your inner ear that's responsible for your sense of motion, and prevent you from getting VR sickness.
Honestly, I don't see an immediate problem with this plan, but since I don't seem to get sick from my VR set, I don't really have a way to test it for myself. At the very least, the theory seems sound.
I'll just smugly add that I'm not negatively affected by watching your VR streams… Huehuehuehue 🙂
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Gopher as always well informed and on the point.
Though … it is interesting that some movements in VR do not cause issues for the most, like driving in vehicles, floating in space. Critical for most are rotations while strafing at the same time. The problem is that there are also other factors like fps, fov, speed of movement and overall quality of the experience … so I get sick in a zero-G ISS demo but not in "Lone Echo".
Teleport movement on the other hand (even if it prevents sickness) is very immersive breaking and in 90% badly done (to complicated, too many buttons) … the only right way to do this was in "Robo Recall", where you can get fast into it and keeping the flow … even so I actually don't like teleporting in VR.
'Less vomit… FTW!' ???
No issues with motion-sickness, spatial perception is fine… Now, I get head-aches, my eyes (well, the muscles around them) hurt, and I fell nauseous when I play VR or watch 3D-movies in a cinema. I'm colour-blind. Heavily red-green colourblind! So my brain does not compute the picture sent (by VR or 3D-kit) to my eyes correctly, and that causes it to misfire. Sucks big time! Some goggles/glasses does not cause this, but it's hit-or-miss when using them, because attendants/ushers usually don't know what kind of equipment is being used.
Very well researched. I know this from first-hand experience. I do get sea sickness. It's awful and makes my head feel like it's going to crack open, and even after getting off the boat, it's like I'm still going up and down… The only VR I played was that Resident Evil 7 demo and I didn't feel sick at all. Maybe because there wasn't much movement, but I know of people who were on the brink of throwing up with games like Drive Club. VR is a silly gimmick. It doesn't make a game fun or immersive. Do you know how I immersed myself in games like FEAR? Dark room and good headset.
Thumbs up for not incorrectly using the word literally like almost everyone else.
My cat told me the second head is actually real and not to listen to you.
When it comes to riding a car, on a boat, or watching Youtube videos of VR games, it don't bother me one bit. However, I get real sick when actually playing VR. I bought a bottle of ginger root pills and that has helped my nauseous symptoms when playing.
VR thankfully hasn't made me sick but the first time I played Skyrim VR, which was my first VR game, I almost fell over as soon as I started walking lol.
I don't get motion sickness in vehicles or on a boat. But, I do get a sick headache watching someone playing in VR or moving very quickly and looking from side to side in non-VR video games. It's very interesting learning about how our individual bodies work.
I'm waiting for the total immersion vr that will come out some time after I die.
I get sick from it bad
I wonder if there's any link between alcoholics and good VR stomachs.
Just level up your lead belly perk, you'll be fine.
Just posting here because this is Gopher's most recent video. I've been watching his Fallout 4 Let's Play and I'm up to Vault-Tec Workshop, but there are three videos early in the playlist that are marked as private. Does anyone know why?
Now explain how many players have hurt themselves while using this stupid VR system, needs to be banned, especially with young players!
I don't get sick watching vr bc my eyes "track" adjusting for movement, so I dont get bad signals between the brain and inner ear.
Huh? I never get motion sickness but I sure do get VR sickness. I wonder if Gravol would work anyway.
That stuff that sends signals to your inner ear could be very interesting for people with Menier's (an inner ear issue). Cause if your inner ear is already sending wonky signals, and you try and send it the correct signals when you're used to wonky signals… do you fall over or vomit?
Actually bob'ing your head a tinny bit can help with Motion sickness in VR. Sometimes it helps. You may need up , and down , gentle rotations , or side to side . Bearly noticeable movements that counter the feeling that affects you. It works for me in RL and VR .
Because VR is crap.
So, anybody got a link for the device or video that @Gopher had in there?
Natural Locomotion has helped me a lot in VR, in Fallout4 VR specifically. There's something about swinging your arms to move that kinda gets my mind-body into moving in VR and tremendously reduces motion sickness.
My fiancee can't watch while I'm playing first person shooters because he gets moving sickness. I tend to get moving sickness when I travel as a passenger, but with games and VR I'm totally fine.
This is why i need an omnidirectional treadmill. I get sick walking around in VR I have to teleport around.
I think the word you are looking for is "Homeostatic Condition" basically its a generalized term for the body maintaining balance of what is considered normal operation, I think people are overthinking this; however,
Jump School "parachuting out of planes" or certain types of emotional stimuli does cause peristalsis to reverse as a bodies reaction, and that has zero to do with the bodies Homeostatic process righting itself in a case of "Motion Sickness" but is termed "Emotion Sickness", In fact that is actually caused by "emotional caution or panic" the body reacts in order to get you to stop moving for reasons of self preservation, well the best way to do that is usually to have you Pee, Crap, or throw up all over yourself.
Nature has a sense of humor, just look at the bodies reaction to an orgasm. The meaning of that is basically Nature and your body reminding us how ridiculous we actually are and how our body just sometimes doesn't know how to deal with all situations you throw at it and thus there isn't always an explanation or reason why it does what it does sometimes, in the case of motion sickness and vertigo, its your body saying "F%^& this shit"
Toxins and "Poisons and Venom" are a tricky thing as anything you technically put into the body, that includes air and water, needs to be filtered, or purified in a mannerism that allows the body to use the materials and excrete the waste by products, an example is being bitten by a bee, a bee's stinger has toxins that can kill most small animals, normally humans are immune; however there is a portion of the population that are vulnerable that we label as having an Allergy which is a nice way of saying the body will react to the toxin in an abnormal way.
Toxins are not always vacated with expedience from the body, only ones that tend to agitate the digestive system, that cause rapid peristalsis or reverse peristalsis. The major issue with toxins are actually the ones that don't inhibit and trip the bodies Homeostatic condition and instead damage subsystems of the body like venom from a snake, spider, aquatic animal that is a paralytic. In a perfect world your body would react by increasing heart rate with rapid repeated contraction and relaxation of muscles(aka send you into Shock) in order to try and keep the venom from having a full effect, but sometimes we need some epinephrine directly into the heart because the body can't secrete enough to get you into a proper counter situation.
Astronauts suffer from it also: in zero gee their inner ear gives all sorts of weird signals not matching the surroundings. It's so bad that their brain in response basically shuts down their inner ear after a couple of days in space. You probably saw video where one astronaut spins another like crazy, and the guy doesn't get sick.
After they return to earth it also takes some time for their inner ear to start working again
Any experience here with medication for motion sickness? There are also pads to put behind your ear which will work for several days. Does this all help with VR sickness?
Ugh, I used to get so sick when I was a kid whenever we drove out to my Grandparent's house. I think the Mythbusters did the ginger pill episode, and through double blind testing, it was concluded that it is indeed placebo effect, but it still works! There may be actual biological science involved though, like where ginger ale is calming when one is feeling nausea. Keep taking the pills to adjust, if needed. Or sip a chilled Canada Dry ?
The weird thing i have this problem in some (few) Screen games. Half Life 2. Reliably in 20 minutes. Bulletstorm (worst head bob ever) But not in most games. (And all on 38" widescreen monitor", but had that issue in Half Life 2 even on MUCH smaller screens..
And yet in VR i have absolutely no problems. Not using any of the little tools they build in to help.
Unless it gets really wild, like with driving a rover on a planet in Elite Dangerous (without VR aids).
Kind of the effect you get sometimes when you fall in a game and your brain gets confused to think you are falling in real life so you get a odd rush.
Never gotten any car sickness though so maybe I would to well in VR?